tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post1641599938804035060..comments2023-10-24T04:43:53.179-04:00Comments on KGMom Musings: What's the Big Deal?KGMomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05165941950953938943noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post-68111625433264544802008-03-10T08:44:00.000-04:002008-03-10T08:44:00.000-04:00Oops--Mary--I meant to respond to your comment too...Oops--Mary--I meant to respond to your comment too.<BR/>I agree a zero tolerance policy is best. I mostly use that, but occasionally I encounter a truly uninformed student. The one example--the student who thought she didn't plagiarize because she used the cite. What she was doing was wholesale using major sections verbatim without quotation marks. She thought giving the cite covered her. Well, zero tolerance would have been a teachable moment lost. So in that kind of case, I allow the student a REDO, but she has to change her topic.KGMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05165941950953938943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post-63473524528119143282008-03-10T08:41:00.000-04:002008-03-10T08:41:00.000-04:00AC--of course if students cite sources, that helps...AC--of course if students cite sources, that helps dissuade plagiarism. Sadly, I have students who use the material and forego the cite.<BR/>Delia--my community college has looked at the software you reference. What is required with that is that students must give up their "intellectual property" rights; in other words, entering the text into the online program is turning material over to them.<BR/>Philip--my church's website prints pastors' sermons, with their permission, and they use footnotes in their printed texts. The way to acknowledge when speaking, of course, is to say "as so-and so says. . ."<BR/>Daryl--interesting. I.e. using someone else's work elevates your own and acknowledges that you are but a novice?<BR/>Island--oh my. I knew you had troubles with your prior blog and concerns about people using it unauthorized, but I didn't realize they were using it for their own economic gain. No wonder you were so upset. I would be too!<BR/><BR/>Thanks all for continuing and enlarging this discussion.KGMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05165941950953938943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post-35950193137554803992008-03-08T21:17:00.000-05:002008-03-08T21:17:00.000-05:00I can only comment on the teachers at the high sch...I can only comment on the teachers at the high school level who knew their students' writing styles and personalities well enough to zero in on the stealers. And zeros are what they received, without argument. I can imagine at the college level those same students plagiarized again with the same sentiment, "no big deal", but remembering the wrath of their 12th grade English teacher.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040099513110890878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post-91823123688598974342008-03-08T11:49:00.000-05:002008-03-08T11:49:00.000-05:00You wonder about other parts of the world. From ou...You wonder about other parts of the world. From our Asian students I gather that to quote large blocks of someone else's work acknowledges one's own status as a beginner in the field. I don't know how students would write in Korea (for example), whether they would repeat without attribution, or repeat with attribution, or use sources more in the way that we are used to doing. I do know that what we call "plagiarism" is at least partly defined by our culture.Climenheisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01989459133238230712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post-47754694436885128072008-03-08T09:51:00.000-05:002008-03-08T09:51:00.000-05:00As a clergyman, I found this a difficult issue. Y...As a clergyman, I found this a difficult issue. You are always looking for a clever turn of phrase which you often appropriate; but, the sermon is no place to use footnotes. If a sermon is rewritten for publication quotes should be footnoted but often the source of a word or phase is lost or forgotten.<BR/><BR/>On the Internet are sites discussing Dr King's plagarisms. Apparently, large parts of his doctoral dissertation was appropriated from another scholar. Even his "I Have a Dream" speech echoes other's work and ideas.<BR/><BR/>Outside of the academic community their are lots of fuzzy corners!Tossing Pebbles in the Streamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04354065895900279070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post-89594479705331482462008-03-07T13:38:00.000-05:002008-03-07T13:38:00.000-05:00Oh, Donna--this is a sore subject with me as well....Oh, Donna--this is a sore subject with me as well. Too many students just don't value the printed word or the ideas and intelligence that went into creating those words. It's like their minds just don't work on that level, and they say "what's the big deal?" <BR/><BR/>My partner teaches college courses now, and she runs everything through an online program/service that identifies plagiarism of anything ever entered online--which means other students' papers, school texts, etc. She has a zero-tolerance policy and has failed many students for plagiarism. I'm always impressed by her strict adherence to the school's honor code, and students learn very quickly NOT to plagiarize.dguzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31402520.post-7594174022103356622008-03-07T09:58:00.000-05:002008-03-07T09:58:00.000-05:00Geography papers, by nature, were mostly research ...Geography papers, by nature, were mostly research based. I'd tell my students that several citations per page would tend to show an attempt at honesty. It may not be rigorous or up to college standards, but it seemed to work fairly well.Anvilcloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07974744042579564912noreply@blogger.com